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Posted on Mon, Jun 30, 2014 12:24

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And I guess $0.77 on the dollar is a punk too. 

 

Unfortunately I did vote for Reagan the second time, a decision I have regretted every day since.  I was young and foolish....and not informed well enough to know what damage he would do to the country!  I try not to let that happen now.



If by "punk" you mean incorrect you're correct, it's incorrect.  If you do find that an employer is discriminating against women regarding pay you should bring a suit... the law making it illegal to do so has been on the books for 50 years.

 

I don't know for sure but fairly certain Ron appreciates you support but if you have really been regretting your vote every day for the last 30 years I understand your propensity for Kool Aid.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 30, 2014 09:34

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This is why I will NEVER vote for any Republican....EVER......for ANYTHING!!!


The sad part, is the mentality of recessionary times, reguardless of the Stock Market's high's. Caps on employment are hard to free up. This market still threaten's employee's with the street as their likely...livelihood, should they not conform. Pure supply/demand principles, with USSC cases. The women folk are pi**ed! Smacking the hand that rocks the cradle;  not good! How long will women drink the bitter, sour grapes. Such a caustic reaction, by the women, for the GOP.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 30, 2014 08:41

Quoting 3345roc:

Are you punkin' us again Diana.  I doubt there are any circumstances which would cause you to vote for any Republican ever.  

 

Does it bother you that this administration picks and chooses the laws it enforces?  Does it bother you that this law is just political theater?  Does it surprise you that JFK signed the Equal Pay Act making wage discrimination based on sex illegal?

 

Do you think having two laws the administration chooses not to enforce will make you sleep better at night.

 

Is it possible you've been drinking the Kool Aid so long it's starting to taste good.



And I guess $0.77 on the dollar is a punk too. 

 

Unfortunately I did vote for Reagan the second time, a decision I have regretted every day since.  I was young and foolish....and not informed well enough to know what damage he would do to the country!  I try not to let that happen now.



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Posted on Mon, Jun 30, 2014 08:32

Quoting InfinityColumn:

I avoided to reed this thread because i don't like politic debates here,  but have to, giving this. I'm perplexed.

Simply scarry!!!



Infinity,

That's why there are only a few of us that frequent this place.  We understand others don't like or are interested in government/politics, so we try to keep it here.  It frustrates me very much that most people are apathetic and seem to think things are hopeless, which leaves them vulnerable to exploiters.  My mission in this conservative dominated environment, is to bring a different point of view to think about.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 29, 2014 20:49

Quoting Diana3316:

This is why I will NEVER vote for any Republican....EVER......for ANYTHING!!!



Are you punkin' us again Diana.  I doubt there are any circumstances which would cause you to vote for any Republican ever.  

 

Does it bother you that this administration picks and chooses the laws it enforces?  Does it bother you that this law is just political theater?  Does it surprise you that JFK signed the Equal Pay Act making wage discrimination based on sex illegal?

 

Do you think having two laws the administration chooses not to enforce will make you sleep better at night.

 

Is it possible you've been drinking the Kool Aid so long it's starting to taste good.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 29, 2014 20:09

Quoting Diana3316:

This is why I will NEVER vote for any Republican....EVER......for ANYTHING!!!



I avoided to reed this thread because i don't like politic debates here,  but have to, giving this. I'm perplexed.

Simply scarry!!!



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Posted on Sun, Jun 29, 2014 08:12

This is why I will NEVER vote for any Republican....EVER......for ANYTHING!!!


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Posted on Thu, Jun 26, 2014 15:27

Quoting Diana3316:

I am typically always surprised by your response and definitely don't have a different opinion of you!  *wink* :)



That's, 2001,as a corection..Edit Cutoff. One vital statement,D made; was to see the appropriateness of  improvement's in society, in general. The world was punched by 2008. Quite, an orchestration. Pragmatic's are good at this; solving problems. All of this rob's the deep feeling's of one's passion. Why do I keep touting the 20's to 45's? I've got 2 of them!



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Posted on Thu, Jun 26, 2014 15:10

Quoting 3345roc:

Not really.  Had Bush Sr. let Stormin' Norman go into Baghdad and demolish Saddam, Bush Jr. wouldn't have had to finish the job.  If Andrew Cuomo, under Clinton, hadn't forced NINJA loans and had taken action when red flags were raised the housing bubble might have been avoided.

 

Causal/Source relationships seem to elusive.  If Obama's words were jobs we'd have full employment and if DC hot air was revenue we'd be out of debt.  

 

When you hire someone to do a job and he has no resume of success anywhere, why are we surprised when he fails.  Let's not do it again.  Words are cheap, you're known by your deeds.


OK. So, the NINA loan's worked on income,or collateral means to support the loan. Some laxity there, but, the recession happened in 2008, at the end of Jr's admin. The thing that amazes me the most, is;We analyzed cost's of Govt toilet seats in the Clinton era. Rumsfelt said, on National TV, the audit could not account for 2.6 Trillion in defense, 9/10/2011. ***"  POOF  "***......! (-8||\\\LV1(-B///



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Posted on Thu, Jun 26, 2014 06:19

Quoting 3345roc:

I rarely get surprised but your reply did surprise me.  I was unaware of the fact that you voted for McCain and Romney.  I was certain you voted for Obama.  I have a different view of you now.




I am typically always surprised by your response and definitely don't have a different opinion of you!  *wink* :)



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Posted on Wed, Jun 25, 2014 08:55

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Roc,

I understand that you are PO’d about the current state of our political environment.  There is much to be PO’d about.  But I don’t think a knee-jerk reaction to the issue is prudent or rational. 

 

Re: rational – Just because something is new, does not necessarily make it better.  There are many, many examples: including the way we raise mono crops with extraordinary yields/acre which may be linked to some of our obesity problems, developing long term genetic insecticides which may be causing the epidemic numbers of auto-immune diseases in humans and wiping out the bee population which threatens our very food sources, products that used to be made from natural, bio-degradable products like wood/metals that are now made of plastic…..perhaps you can think of even more.

 

Re: prudence – In nursing, we have a motto:  Think twice, act once.  That means we are trained to assess, evaluate, plan, implement, re-evaluate.  That’s so we reduce the potential for making a mistake which may cause unintentional negative consequences.

 

When you vote irrationally and out of anger without adequate assessment…ie ..”Anyone other than an incumbent”…..then you risk putting in power a Neo-Confederate who markets fear, hate, bigotry, pitting American against American, supporting militia groups that terrorize/intimidate citizens, allow big Corporations to move jobs overseas, potentially irreparably damaging our mother earth’s resources and environment, allowing foreign imports to enter our country which have toxins and inferior safety…..all in the name of obscene self-serving profits, Laissez-faire markets and the Siren’s seductive Freedom Song. 

 

Just because some of these new breed politicians are singing a siren’s song that appeals to your most visceral emotions, does not indicate they will be good Statesmen who will have a clue how to govern and/or lead this country in a positive direction.   Many of them seem to just want to blow things up, thinking it fun to put on a big show….. with no idea or careful thought of what the future consequence may be. 

 

I favor a pragmatic compromiser, who thinks it’s better to work in concert with others to develop and implement a “best” way forward for our country!



I rarely get surprised but your reply did surprise me.  I was unaware of the fact that you voted for McCain and Romney.  I was certain you voted for Obama.  I have a different view of you now.



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Posted on Tue, Jun 24, 2014 23:01

Quoting 3345roc:

Haha... okay, let's blame it all on Bush.  As a famous Democrat said.. "the buck stops here".  I guess you haven't been paying attention... I'd be happy if we got rid of all the dead wood in DC and replaced them with new blood, new ideas... something that works from people who have some real world experience.

 

I'll vote for the guy who delivers what he promises... if he doesn't get rid of him.  I hope that's clear enough for you.


Roc,

I understand that you are PO’d about the current state of our political environment.  There is much to be PO’d about.  But I don’t think a knee-jerk reaction to the issue is prudent or rational. 

 

Re: rational – Just because something is new, does not necessarily make it better.  There are many, many examples: including the way we raise mono crops with extraordinary yields/acre which may be linked to some of our obesity problems, developing long term genetic insecticides which may be causing the epidemic numbers of auto-immune diseases in humans and wiping out the bee population which threatens our very food sources, products that used to be made from natural, bio-degradable products like wood/metals that are now made of plastic…..perhaps you can think of even more.

 

Re: prudence – In nursing, we have a motto:  Think twice, act once.  That means we are trained to assess, evaluate, plan, implement, re-evaluate.  That’s so we reduce the potential for making a mistake which may cause unintentional negative consequences.

 

When you vote irrationally and out of anger without adequate assessment…ie ..”Anyone other than an incumbent”…..then you risk putting in power a Neo-Confederate who markets fear, hate, bigotry, pitting American against American, supporting militia groups that terrorize/intimidate citizens, allow big Corporations to move jobs overseas, potentially irreparably damaging our mother earth’s resources and environment, allowing foreign imports to enter our country which have toxins and inferior safety…..all in the name of obscene self-serving profits, Laissez-faire markets and the Siren’s seductive Freedom Song. 

 

Just because some of these new breed politicians are singing a siren’s song that appeals to your most visceral emotions, does not indicate they will be good Statesmen who will have a clue how to govern and/or lead this country in a positive direction.   Many of them seem to just want to blow things up, thinking it fun to put on a big show….. with no idea or careful thought of what the future consequence may be. 

 

I favor a pragmatic compromiser, who thinks it’s better to work in concert with others to develop and implement a “best” way forward for our country!



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Posted on Mon, Jun 23, 2014 10:26

Right now, everyone know's someone who has had to dip into retirement,early,  to survive. That buffer zone is getting smaller. I pulled a BBC vid; a reporter following the T Party movement. These are people from above, fighting for some balance; while watching factories still move beyond our border's. I have to say, that Allentown moved to the Information Industry; after the rust gathered on the Rust Belt. The reporter also, visited the closed jeep plant in Dayton. These are  50's+ people; wanting their lives stable, while, saying "No", to money outlays. It takes money to make money. Obama can only use directives, till the grinding wheel start's to turn in Washington. I have heard blame; with no vision. The problem will not be solved with Gov't. It will be solved,with the people; when they start working together.



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Posted on Sun, Jun 22, 2014 20:42

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*sigh*  Roc.....if TAX cuts were jobs.....we'd be awash in jobs!  Give me a break!  I'm so tired of hearing everything blamed on Obama.  I have never thought he is perfect, but he is miles and miles ahead in critical thinking skills than "Shrub"....little Bush.  Personally I want a Prez that deliberately thinks before he acts.  Shrub destroyed every business he ever attempted!  Look it up.

 

Pssst....it's Congress' job to legislate.  Where is the jobs bill???  YOUR party just says "NO" and takes days off!  There is only ONE party whose deliberate party platform is to promote the failure of the US government!  And why??  So the 1% can have another even bigger party.....and then puke all over our economy again.  I'm sure you've heard of privatization?  Who do you think pays all those private companies to do government services??? 


Haha... okay, let's blame it all on Bush.  As a famous Democrat said.. "the buck stops here".  I guess you haven't been paying attention... I'd be happy if we got rid of all the dead wood in DC and replaced them with new blood, new ideas... something that works from people who have some real world experience.

 

I'll vote for the guy who delivers what he promises... if he doesn't get rid of him.  I hope that's clear enough for you.


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Posted on Sun, Jun 22, 2014 13:26

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Bush Sr is as old as dirt, and possibaly helped install Saddam as ruler. One of those thousand point's of light, at the time. Deal's go bad....Let's spend 6 trillion for a military show!


I'm fairly certain he's prefer to be "old as dirt" than "dumb as concrete".



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Posted on Sat, Jun 21, 2014 09:08

Quoting 3345roc:

Not really.  Had Bush Sr. let Stormin' Norman go into Baghdad and demolish Saddam, Bush Jr. wouldn't have had to finish the job.  If Andrew Cuomo, under Clinton, hadn't forced NINJA loans and had taken action when red flags were raised the housing bubble might have been avoided.

 

Causal/Source relationships seem to elusive.  If Obama's words were jobs we'd have full employment and if DC hot air was revenue we'd be out of debt.  

 

When you hire someone to do a job and he has no resume of success anywhere, why are we surprised when he fails.  Let's not do it again.  Words are cheap, you're known by your deeds.



Bush Sr is as old as dirt, and possibaly helped install Saddam as ruler. One of those thousand point's of light, at the time. Deal's go bad....Let's spend 6 trillion for a military show!



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Posted on Sat, Jun 21, 2014 08:55

Quoting 3345roc:

Not really.  Had Bush Sr. let Stormin' Norman go into Baghdad and demolish Saddam, Bush Jr. wouldn't have had to finish the job.  If Andrew Cuomo, under Clinton, hadn't forced NINJA loans and had taken action when red flags were raised the housing bubble might have been avoided.

 

Causal/Source relationships seem to elusive.  If Obama's words were jobs we'd have full employment and if DC hot air was revenue we'd be out of debt.  

 

When you hire someone to do a job and he has no resume of success anywhere, why are we surprised when he fails.  Let's not do it again.  Words are cheap, you're known by your deeds.


*sigh*  Roc.....if TAX cuts were jobs.....we'd be awash in jobs!  Give me a break!  I'm so tired of hearing everything blamed on Obama.  I have never thought he is perfect, but he is miles and miles ahead in critical thinking skills than "Shrub"....little Bush.  Personally I want a Prez that deliberately thinks before he acts.  Shrub destroyed every business he ever attempted!  Look it up.

 

Pssst....it's Congress' job to legislate.  Where is the jobs bill???  YOUR party just says "NO" and takes days off!  There is only ONE party whose deliberate party platform is to promote the failure of the US government!  And why??  So the 1% can have another even bigger party.....and then puke all over our economy again.  I'm sure you've heard of privatization?  Who do you think pays all those private companies to do government services??? 



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Posted on Sat, Jun 21, 2014 06:56

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AAh,...The Bushes....Goes back to the Kennedy's....Care to trudge that path,Roc....Step very carefully with your word's. The  news is out, Dude! Not my words! Them Damn 20-45's! That Senate Committee in 77 uncovered more than 1 shooter. Damn, You're slow! Shit,Man...Oh...The Grassy knole shot has been varified...Recoil, ROC....Shit,Man...The shooter has been verified by face recognition...You that slow?


Yup, slow as a turtle, but, unlike the hare... don't suffer from ADD.  Unfortunately  I'm also unable to come up with a totally on point, witty reply.  You have a gift but, it seems, you don't have spell check.

 

Tell me this Stanley, when you focus on the Kennedy assassination, do the voices in your head go quiet?  Could you sketch the face of the second shooter and post it here... maybe someone will recognize him and justice will prevail.  At any rate, keep up the good work.  We're all counting on you to solve this great mystery.  

 

Once that's solved perhaps you could move on to the great pigeon manifesto.  With so many pigeons in the world why don't we ever see baby pigeons.  

 

I'm hardly qualified as a mental health professional but time permitting perhaps you could diagnose yourself.... it might prove beneficial.



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Posted on Fri, Jun 20, 2014 20:29

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Problem there is, all the money was drained by the 2001-2009, sordid circumstances. How deep did we get,before the Sept. surprise,2008? Any President in a Great Recession/Depression has problems; given, that the World is still suffering it's effect's. I guess you are calling the Bush Admin. Professional's,Roc. Professionals leave Surpluses. We've had a few surplus years, but the bottom line will not be satisfied by them. Put people back to work, with a livable wage. That is a SimplyComplicated problem no one can figure out. As stated before; Iraq played Robinhood with a bank, then gave the money to their citizens to clean up a town/region. I'm not saying we should do that, but, you have to look around at the street's in America. They could use beautification, as well as project's to properly channel flood prone areas to places that are in need of water. How many other ways can we stimulate this economy? Someone up there has printed trillions. That money lays in banks. The question remains; Who will we replace in Washington,  Who has a more positive vision, for the future of America? 



Not really.  Had Bush Sr. let Stormin' Norman go into Baghdad and demolish Saddam, Bush Jr. wouldn't have had to finish the job.  If Andrew Cuomo, under Clinton, hadn't forced NINJA loans and had taken action when red flags were raised the housing bubble might have been avoided.

 

Causal/Source relationships seem to elusive.  If Obama's words were jobs we'd have full employment and if DC hot air was revenue we'd be out of debt.  

 

When you hire someone to do a job and he has no resume of success anywhere, why are we surprised when he fails.  Let's not do it again.  Words are cheap, you're known by your deeds.



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Posted on Fri, Jun 20, 2014 20:18

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I read your post several times trying to understand your point.  You’ve managed to once again write a comment I don’t fully understand and seems to put forth a vague/unclear position.  Perhaps it’s just me.

 

You say you are tired of old beltway rhetoric, yet the very next statement you launch into the same meaningless rhetoric about compromising your freedom and the Constitution.  While just a decade ago there was not a whimper to be heard when Bush et al passed the Patriot Act that didn’t just compromise, but actually DID take away freedom and constitutionally protected Rights!  I never hear anyone chanting to repeal the Patriot Act. 

 

And yes….oh the taxes.  Who likes to pay taxes….but I for one, would like to live in a country where there are services and safe infrastructure for me, my children and my children’s children.  I am sure there are others that feel the same.  If you stand with the folks that just want to use everything up and put nothing back in its place except pollution and damage, that fervently protect millionaires, billionaires, hedge fund managers and oil companies from having to pay a fair tax by refusing to close even the very basic of tax loop holes,  while leaving the working class buried under a stacked system which results in their dreams to fade into abject hopelessness, left to die without adequate food or healthcare in old age, that promote the choking out of any national education standard allowing states to cleanse curriculums of science and other core standards so our children are woefully unprepared to compete in a global market, miserably vulnerable to corporations that refuse to pay a living wage or provide a safe work environment and target them for exploitation, coercion and/or intimidation….then I cannot agree with you. 

 

You seem to praise Mr. Brat as a “Professor of Economics”  who understands basic budgeting principles and “understands that you can't tax the a country into prosperity”, but I have never heard any respected economists, some Nobel Prize winning, put forth ideas like what were quoted/footnoted in the Wikipedia clip I posted.  

 

We shall see how his handlers craft his message, but frankly his ideas seem quite astonishing and strange to me.  What kind of “economist” puts forth an economic message that one specific religious group is superior to others?  And how wacky is the notion that Capitalism and Christianity should converge?  Capitalism philosophy is not based on unconditional love for your neighbor.  The most important thing to a capitalist is his bottom line, which must grow year by year if to be deemed as successful.  Best I remember, the only time we saw Jesus lose his temper was when he saw money changers in the Temple;  turned over their tables and drove them out!

 

But perhaps what Mr. Brat means by “Christian Capitalism” can be found in the Book of Acts, Chapter 4:

 

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had.
33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all
34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales
35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

 

Or maybe Mathew 19 with the Rich Young Ruler?

 

21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 

 

It should be interesting to see how Mr. Brat explains his views to the voters…..and whether he wants to be a preacher or viewed as a serious economist.

 

PS:  Read the rest of Mathew 19.  It explains what it is to be a Half-way Christian....specifically....in regards to cherry picking the items you want to believe in and how that affects your chances to get into heaven.



Once again, exactly!  Your needs are not being met and Congress, with a 10% approval rating is not meeting the needs of 90% of the people.  Yet we continue to re-elect them.  Let's not keep reshuffling the deck, let get a new deck.  The only folks whose needs are being met are the crony crapitalists who occupy the White House and the Beltway.  They pass laws they don't read, the are our aristocracy and they live above the laws they expect the rest of us to abide by.

 

Good riddance to all of them.



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