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Posted on Wed, Feb 26, 2014 15:48

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Dammit Diana, I do admire your honesty.  There might be quite a few women who'd admit to fantasizing about paying lip service to a bulging Bill in the Oval Office but not may would post that on a public forum.

 

Where do you draw the line? How about Obama?  He's married, he's not a Rhode scholar but he does have a Nobel Peace Prize and you can't buy one of them either.  Would you Lewinsky him?  What about Hillary?  She's also married but doesn't have what the other two have... but she might be the first woman President.  Would you dive into her pantsuit and give her a big, wet Australian kiss?

 

Just curious... do many of the women here on these blogs consider having an intimate encounter with a married politician or celebrity a big "score" as defined by Diana?  I don't run into many uber liberal women in the normal course of my life... should I seek them out?  Am I missing something?

 

Anyway... you're so right, I am flawed in ways I didn't even realize.  I do consider cheating (you might call it scoring) a character flaw.  It's not about the sex it's about not honoring a commitment you made.  I guess you could say it's dishonorable.

 

Here's one you might not be able to wrap your head around but I have no debt.... no mortgage, no car loan, no credit card debt.  I pay cash for everything.  I retired at 53 and luckily I have the cash to buy everything I want.  However, when I was a young'un, if I wanted something, I saved up for it and bought it when I had enough cash.  Crazy, right?

 

Oh, and by the way, all that liberal left wing, talking head gibberish you regugitate gives me brain cramps because it make's no sense at all, so I don't read it.  If it's any consolation, I also avoid the right wingnut's spin doctors excrement as well.  If you enjoy writing it because it gives you sense of righteousness please continue but understand I just go lalalalalalalalalala.

 

Was Clinton a good President.  I think so but I doubt he'll make the top ten.  Newt helped him out quite a bit, but I don't regret voting for him, second term.  I liked Dole but he was getting a bit long in the tooth.  I'm glad that Obama came along and now view my vote for Jimmy Carter as visionary.

 

 



Ahhh….yessss….Newt.  Now there’s a shining example of “character”.  I won’t bother to recite the entire litany of his “dishonorable” acts….but abandoning your wife in the midst of her cancer treatment via an email….might be right up there as one of the most ghastly of sins I’ve ever heard of.

 

#1.  Please remove the quotation marks from the word “score”.  I never used that word. 

 

#2.  My point re: Monica “making it” with the POTUS was in an effort to potentially view it from a 22yr old’s perspective.  I think she might have been a thrill seeker….experimenting with her sexuality and trying to build her self-esteem.  Why else would a woman keep a dirty dress as a souvenir? 

 

#3.  My value system and the choices I make regarding who I have sex with are not open for discussion at this time.  The agreements I make between my lovers are our business…..just like Bill and Hillary’s agreements are their business.  If she wants to forgive him for what he did….she’s the only one that has to live with that decision.  YOU are not part of their relationship.

 

If you want to keep bludgeoning him over a poor personal decision that happened 15 years ago….I guess you can.  But seriously….did anyone get killed?  The only reason people got hurt and American tax payer dollars were wasted, was because of the ruthless and relentless stalking/hunting done by the Republicans.

 

There are a lot of good and decent men/women that have made poor decisions in their younger years.  That doesn't make them bad people today!  Blame it on hormones….blame it on disturbed upbringing….who knows?  There’s tons of psychologists way smarter than me that try to figure these things out.  It’s not like I’ve never been betrayed or cheated on before, but I am a big believer in second chances, forgiveness and letting the past go. 

 

The bottom line is that what happened, happened inside of THEIR marriage……NOT yours or mine!!

 



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Posted on Wed, Feb 26, 2014 09:18

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Hah……really?  Character flaw?  We’ve never seen that in our government officials before….and I’m sure you don’t have any of those, now do you Roc?  While I was very disappointed that Clinton was so stupid, I’ve seen men do a lot of stupid things because of a woman.

 

The bottom line is that I didn’t hire him to be my moral leader.  I hired him to run my country and even with a mega magnifying glass on him that cost the American taxpayer more than 60 million dollars, I am pretty satisfied with the job he did.

 

But besides being a successful president, the man reeks sex appeal.  At 6’1”, blue eyed and with great lips….he’s a Rhodes Scholar, which btw you can’t buy one of them!  He’s got a great mind, good looking and good bodied, witty, charming and exemplifies compassion/empathy for those less fortunate.  There’s not a doubt in my mind that he’s a generous and talented lover, which btw Jennifer Flowers concurred with during a Playboy interview.

 

No doubt Bill had contact with some Arkansas trailer trash, but that may have been hard to avoid in Arkansas.  I would bet a nickel there were other women as well….but unlike that common bred Paula Jones who got paid for her statements against Bill, followed by immediately buying a nose job and posing for Hustler Magazine…..they have kept their mouths shut.  I’m just guessing, but assuming they didn’t talk because they didn’t support the nasty GOP conspiracy to destroy the Clintons.

 

Never the less, it’s just another example that while someone may have sex with multiple partners; they continue to love only one.  Bill truly loves Hillary.  They have worked out their problems, just as many married people sometimes do…..so I’m not sure why critical and judgmental conservatives continue to keep that thin-lipped snarl on their faces.  Time to get over it and stay out of other people’s bedrooms.

 


Dammit Diana, I do admire your honesty.  There might be quite a few women who'd admit to fantasizing about paying lip service to a bulging Bill in the Oval Office but not may would post that on a public forum.

 

Where do you draw the line? How about Obama?  He's married, he's not a Rhode scholar but he does have a Nobel Peace Prize and you can't buy one of them either.  Would you Lewinsky him?  What about Hillary?  She's also married but doesn't have what the other two have... but she might be the first woman President.  Would you dive into her pantsuit and give her a big, wet Australian kiss?

 

Just curious... do many of the women here on these blogs consider having an intimate encounter with a married politician or celebrity a big score, or "making it", as defined by Diana?  I don't run into many uber liberal women in the normal course of my life... should I seek them out?  Am I missing something?

 

Anyway... you're so right, I am flawed in ways I didn't even realize.  I do consider cheating (you call it "making it") a character flaw.  It's not about the sex it's about not honoring a commitment you made.  I guess you could say it's dishonorable.

 

Here's one you might not be able to wrap your head around but I have no debt.... no mortgage, no car loan, no credit card debt.  I pay cash for everything.  I retired at 53 and luckily I have the cash to buy everything I want.  However, when I was a young'un, if I wanted something, I saved up for it and bought it when I had enough cash.  Crazy, right?

 

Oh, and by the way, all that liberal left wing, talking head gibberish you regurgitate gives me brain cramps because it make's no sense at all, so I don't read it.  If it's any consolation, I also avoid the right wingnut's spin doctors excrement as well.  If you enjoy writing it because it gives you sense of righteousness please continue but understand I just go lalalalalalalalalala.

 

Was Clinton a good President.  I think so but I doubt he'll make the top ten.  Newt helped him out quite a bit, but I don't regret voting for him, second term.  I liked Dole but he was getting a bit long in the tooth.  I'm glad that Obama came along and now view my vote for Jimmy Carter as visionary



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Posted on Wed, Feb 26, 2014 01:52

Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) released a new web ad Monday in her race for U.S. Senate that compares the job of her opponent, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), to lighting a house on fire and then claiming credit for putting it out.

"He calls himself a 'proud guardian of gridlock,'" says a male narrator, over an image of a burning house. "He's blocked the Senate over 400 times. Then voted to shut down the government, hurting Kentucky's economy."

The ad continues, "Mitch McConnell can't light the house on fire and then claim credit for putting it out -- especially while it's still burning."

The video rejects McConnell's contention that he deserves credit for ending the government shutdown earlier this month in a bipartisan deal. "I’ve demonstrated, once again, that when the Congress is in gridlock and the country is at risk, I’m the guy who steps forward and tries to get us out of the ditch,"



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Posted on Tue, Feb 25, 2014 11:30

Quoting 3345roc:

Not really on so many different levels my dear, but I see where you're coming from.  

 

I'm guessing  if you had a chance to make it with POTUS you would do the same thing.  We could put your picture up between Monica and Paula Jones... a blonde a brunette, Monica had black hair.. oh, wait,, was Gennifer Flowers a redhead?

 

That would be a superfecta Hall of Shame.

 

He was married and he was a serial cheater... huge character flaw.  

 

While there's no such thing as a bad bl*wj*b some are better than other.  Experience counts, and if you're really good at it you deserve a medal.  I think women become sexy in their mid thirties and post menopausal women are out of this world.  I did date a 22 year old.. she was a quick study... and I was divorced.  No harm, no foul.


Hah……really?  Character flaw?  We’ve never seen that in our government officials before….and I’m sure you don’t have any of those, now do you Roc?  While I was very disappointed that Clinton was so stupid, I’ve seen men do a lot of stupid things because of a woman.

 

The bottom line is that I didn’t hire him to be my moral leader.  I hired him to run my country and even with a mega magnifying glass on him that cost the American taxpayer more than 60 million dollars, I am pretty satisfied with the job he did.

 

But besides being a successful president, the man reeks sex appeal.  At 6’1”, blue eyed and with great lips….he’s a Rhodes Scholar, which btw you can’t buy one of them!  He’s got a great mind, good looking and good bodied, witty, charming and exemplifies compassion/empathy for those less fortunate.  There’s not a doubt in my mind that he’s a generous and talented lover, which btw Jennifer Flowers concurred with during a Playboy interview.

 

No doubt Bill had contact with some Arkansas trailer trash, but that may have been hard to avoid in Arkansas.  I would bet a nickel there were other women as well….but unlike that common bred Paula Jones who got paid for her statements against Bill, followed by immediately buying a nose job and posing for Hustler Magazine…..they have kept their mouths shut.  I’m just guessing, but assuming they didn’t talk because they didn’t support the nasty GOP conspiracy to destroy the Clintons.

 

Never the less, it’s just another example that while someone may have sex with multiple partners; they continue to love only one.  Bill truly loves Hillary.  They have worked out their problems, just as many married people sometimes do…..so I’m not sure why critical and judgmental conservatives continue to keep that thin-lipped snarl on their faces.  Time to get over it and stay out of other people’s bedrooms.

 



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Posted on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 15:54

Quoting Diana3316:

You wouldn't be envious would you Roc????  You sound like you might secretly be suffering from a little envy.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Not really on so many different levels my dear, but I see where you're coming from.  

 

I'm guessing  if you had a chance to make it with POTUS you would do the same thing.  We could put your picture up between Monica and Paula Jones... a blonde a brunette, Monica had black hair.. oh, wait,, was Gennifer Flowers a redhead?

 

That would be a superfecta Hall of Shame.

 

He was married and he was a serial cheater... huge character flaw.  

 

While there's no such thing as a bad bl*wj*b some are better than other.  Experience counts, and if you're really good at it you deserve a medal.  I think women become sexy in their mid thirties and post menopausal women are out of this world.  I did date a 22 year old.. she was a quick study... and I was divorced.  No harm, no foul.



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Posted on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 20:05

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"She was a 22 year old woman that had a chance to make it with the POTUS."

 

 ... now that's funny Diana, as if the old horndog had impeccable taste in women.  I doubt there's a 22 year old he  wouldn't have dropped his draws for in the Oval Office or anywhere else for that matter.

 

 



You wouldn't be envious would you Roc????  You sound like you might secretly be suffering from a little envy.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted on Sat, Feb 22, 2014 10:13

"She was a 22 year old woman that had a chance to make it with the POTUS."

 

 ... now that's funny Diana, as if the old horndog had impeccable taste in women.  I doubt there's a 22 year old he  wouldn't have dropped his draws for in the Oval Office or anywhere else for that matter.

 

 



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Posted on Tue, Feb 18, 2014 14:22

Quoting Diana3316:

Leo,

Hillary is a Scorpio?  I didn't know.  If she runs/wins and has a Congress like the one now....we will see nothing accomplished...just like now. 

 

I dare say, these next mid-term elections are more important than the 2016 presidential election.  What people need to do is examine what their congressional candidates really stand for.  Does the candidate just want to kick the proverbial can down the road regarding climate change?  Can we really continue to afford the repair costs for Sandy, Katrina, the car wrecks in Atlanta....or how about the drowning of Miami? Do we want to keep relitigating the ACA or do we want to fix what needs fixing?  The majority of Americans do not want to go back to the way it was when insurance companies ran rough shod over people.  The choice seems clear to me....but people who are progressive and forward thinking need to get out....and VOTE!

 

And really...how lame is it to be bringing up Monica?  She was a 22 year old woman that had a chance to make it with the POTUS.  What Bill did may not have been in good form....but she was hardly an innocent adolescent.  That was her second affair with a married man.  She reportedly had an affair with a married teacher too before Bill.  So who cares....besides snoopy Republicans that want to know and control what goes on in other people's bedrooms?  Their not really interested in freedom.  That's just a talking point.  


Scorpio... Lady in Black

http://youtu.be/4bH9A3H_t_Q

 



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Posted on Mon, Feb 17, 2014 23:09

Leo,

Hillary is a Scorpio?  I didn't know.  If she runs/wins and has a Congress like the one now....we will see nothing accomplished...just like now. 

 

I dare say, these next mid-term elections are more important than the 2016 presidential election.  What people need to do is examine what their congressional candidates really stand for.  Does the candidate just want to kick the proverbial can down the road regarding climate change?  Can we really continue to afford the repair costs for Sandy, Katrina, the car wrecks in Atlanta....or how about the drowning of Miami? Do we want to keep relitigating the ACA or do we want to fix what needs fixing?  The majority of Americans do not want to go back to the way it was when insurance companies ran rough shod over people.  The choice seems clear to me....but people who are progressive and forward thinking need to get out....and VOTE!

 

And really...how lame is it to be bringing up Monica?  She was a 22 year old woman that had a chance to make it with the POTUS.  What Bill did may not have been in good form....but she was hardly an innocent adolescent.  Was Bill a predator????  Not any more than she was!  That was her second affair with a married man.  What Bill did was between him and his wife.  So who cares....besides snoopy Republicans that want to know and control what goes on in other people's bedrooms?  Their not really interested in freedom.  That's just a talking point.  If that's all the GOP has to offer the country, it's not good enough!!



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Posted on Sun, Feb 16, 2014 13:16

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......OK...While the Syrian King has been bombing his culture to death; John Kerry(passed him at midnight in the Capitol, preparing for the Gerald Ford's, Lie of State; with 6 armed guards surrounding him) as Sec of State; journeyed down the Climate Change, deadend highway to nowhere. I understand he is breezy(to the detriment); IS..... Is he creating territory to wander in?....Sheese! Is Climate Change in his Job Discription? This Lion sees him wounded. In a Lion Community, a wounded one is smacked! Isn't National Geographic's great(Obama's a Leo).....I'M TRUELY AMAZED! Watch Obama take that heat! NEXT!

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:02

If the curtain was pulled on all the unfare practices of what strictly pervasive entrepuneur methods of workplace rules we have inherited from Corperate America, we would probibaly look closer over the meaning of the Constitution. True,  Business pimarily moved out, and time has gone by, but, American products are based on a standard, and this situation should encourage rebirth of labor jobs that significantly bolster the economy. What some people fail to realize, is that 80 to 90 % of this country wants to interact in some fashion. We're talking psych here Even the shuckers like social engagement,as we see in the market place. These 20 somethings are smarter beyond me. I had to chase the Information Age, and both of my daughters are more intensely engaged in this society. That's a general society, and my 2 daughters were fed till overflowing; the vital knowledge of realizing your passion younger, and wedging close to the dream. We're like...Stopped between the party of NO, and the multi-ring circus going on between a situation that can be renovated, and terse discontent of 48...OK.... Who locked arms to signal unity...But KNEW they could not deny the enevitable, and eventually realized; Their base had severe erosion. Where are the numbers? No president is popular in a depression, and the falasy of paying for past debt's Came forefront in 2008. I'm sure that the "New Millionaires" we saw in the late 90's were the beginings of the "Supply Side" of having, as opposed to not; What Bill Clinton Did. Everyone understands that they want the dream, and they are hunting, tactic-wise, for that dream. Bill is now,worldwide. What better position can a New Woman President have.

 

You really need to compare the difference of the Astrological transits of Hillary. She's a Scorpio(water sign), and that fair balance is carried over from Libra(True Astronomy sharing of sign's) E.W. Bullinger,  Witness Of The Stars)). What the Congress needs to get used to, is the significant influx of Women in Congress, and the Presidency. I guess,Bill could be First Man, and Vice President.....Is that Constitutional? Does Hillary want that?....Bill had multiple surpluses in the '90's...pardon..LMAO..OK...Nope.. Bill makes from 1/4 million to a million for his talks, and Hillary is about to put her book out, and investing Bill's millions...After The Book, Hillary says....Slowly savoring the Currents of her future; with a good glass of wine. 



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Posted on Fri, Feb 14, 2014 17:13

I have a friend,making around $40,000/yr. His family monthly healthcare costs are around $275/week($13,200/yr.,33% of gross income)...an average house payment. He works for a Defense Conglomerate.   

 

 

Heads up Leon!!!  This makes no sense at all.  If he's getting his Health Insurance from his company he should check out either the Fed exchange if he lives in one of the 34 states that opted out of the ACA, or the State exchange if he's in one of the 16 states, or DC that opted in.   There's nothing to prevent him from obtaining insurance from these exchanges.  I think he has until March 31st to make the change.   If his premiums exceed 9.5 % of his income he qualifies for a subsidy.  I'd certainly encourage him to check it out. 

 



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I have to laugh at the latest; Republican's tying the Healthcare act to citizens not working a 40 hour workweek. This tactic of requiring a certain amount of work hours for coverage(union's included) has reached it's end.  There is a certain percentage of people that find a way to get out of work; on the job, as well as unemployed. Walmart is known for keeping associates under part time status so they would not be required to provide benefits. This is another control mechanism toy, taken away from greedy entrepreneurs, with the new rules of the Healthcare act. I presume this Party will use $10.10 for the continuing assalt on degreed individuals forced to take minimum wage jobs,and provide more for cost of insurance. Even the 40 hr. workers suffer high healthcare costs-employed in multinational companies. Is it good production policy to tie healthcare with full employment? The idea should be to present a proactive work environment, so you have standing rights when job production falls with an employee,or there is an antagonistic posture in the workplace. Humans are that; not reduced to bearing additional burdens beyond their social environment, as mules are tasked. How many hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck lives are made better when you eliminate this control. I would think the Republican Party should have learned the lesson Romney learned with the 50% braintoot.  That demographic crossection is intelligently voting now, and unfortunately, fit into the $10.10 issue, and Healthcare cost innundation. Should the Republicans placate the 50% for the vote? Is this Corporate America influencing Congress? The Republicans have a choice. Hillary is still sipping fine wine, with plotting laughter. http://youtu.be/D4nQB3V10i8..Bring out the best, and the worse you can be......

 

I have a friend,making around $40,000/yr. His family monthly healthcare costs are around $275/week($13,200/yr.,33% of gross income)...an average house payment. He works for a Defense Conglomerate.  

 


Oh no!  Was this your take on the non partisan CBO's forecast that the ACA would bring about a drop in work hours equal to the loss of 2.5 million full-time workers over the next decade. I don't know if you recall that back in 2010 the Dems claimed the law would create jobs.  Pelosi said that "in it's life it will create four million jobs - 400,000 jobs almost immediately."  Back then the CBO contradicted her and claimed the law would reduce the labor force by the equivalent of 800,000 jobs. The CBO is limited in forecasting for 10 yeats out so the revised number projects out to 2024 whereas the original forecast went to 2020.   The rational is that some workers,especially  those with lower wages, would limit their hours rather than risk losing their Federal subsidies.

 

Oops!!!!  Guess Nancy was right, she really didn't know what was in it so she had to pass it.  

 

 

The thing that made me chuckle was the way the spin doctors, on both sides of the aisle, interpreted this revised estimate.  

 

The Pubs claim that reducing the labor force by 2.5 million jobs would hurt the economy.... kinda makes sense.  

 

The Dems claimed that the reduction in hours was in support of their Family Values theme and it would allow workers to spend more time with their families.  Schumer likened it to the adoption of the 40 hour work week in the 20th Century...  kinda makes sense.

 

Politicians... I think it should be legal to kneecap them.  



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Posted on Thu, Feb 13, 2014 03:09

I have to laugh at the latest; Republican's tying the Healthcare act to citizens not working a 40 hour workweek. This tactic of requiring a certain amount of work hours for coverage(union's included) has reached it's end.  There is a certain percentage of people that find a way to get out of work; on the job, as well as unemployed. Walmart is known for keeping associates under part time status so they would not be required to provide benefits. This is another control mechanism toy, taken away from greedy entrepreneurs, with the new rules of the Healthcare act. I presume this Party will use $10.10 for the continuing assalt on degreed individuals forced to take minimum wage jobs,and provide more for cost of insurance. Even the 40 hr. workers suffer high healthcare costs-employed in multinational companies. Is it good production policy to tie healthcare with full employment? The idea should be to present a proactive work environment, so you have standing rights when job production falls with an employee,or there is an antagonistic posture in the workplace. Humans are that; not reduced to bearing additional burdens beyond their social environment, as mules are tasked. How many hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck lives are made better when you eliminate this control. I would think the Republican Party should have learned the lesson Romney learned with the 50% braintoot.  That demographic crossection is intelligently voting now, and unfortunately, fit into the $10.10 issue, and Healthcare cost innundation. Should the Republicans placate the 50% for the vote? Is this Corporate America influencing Congress? The Republicans have a choice. Hillary is still sipping fine wine, with plotting laughter. http://youtu.be/D4nQB3V10i8..Bring out the best, and the worse you can be......

 

I have a friend,making around $40,000/yr. His family monthly healthcare costs are around $275/week($13,200/yr.,33% of gross income)...an average house payment. He works for a Defense Conglomerate.  

 



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Posted on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 19:20

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Sooooo......basically your answer is *crickets*.  You said nothing except deny it, deny it, deny it.  I'm sure you've heard the saying, If it looks like a duck; If it walks like a duck; If it sounds like a duck.......It IS a Duck!!!!

 

Re:  Rep. James R. Mann from Illinois.  Are you talking about the guy that died in 1922???


“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― Adolf Hitler

 

The following statement can best be characterized as"'it's a lie" or "it's inaccurate" or "it's an exaggeration" or "it's blatantly false".  One thing is certain ... it's not true.  You would have realized that if you accessed Census Bureau or the Bureau of Labor Statistics.data.  

 

"Women make 77cents on the dollar that men make performing the same job"  

 

Do your own "due diligence".  You might be surprised by the result and you might actually change your mind or at least have beliefs based on "facts" rather than bowdlerized bloviations.

 

The "War on Women" is a political strategy.  I'm surprised that a smart women like you hasn't noticed it.  Prior to the last Presidential Election the "talking heads" on both sides of the aisle were saying the exact same things using the same exact words on every TV program they could wiggle themselves onto.  Didn't you notice that.   It was as though they were reading from a script.... it was sickening.

 

The only war that's going on is a war between the parties and the doorstep that can be laid upon is the President's.  His State of the Union just added more fuel to the fire.  

 

The beneficiaries of DC gridlock are those who are well off.  Those who are living in poverty are the ones who suffer.  You acknowledge that politicians lie.  Excuse me for pointing out those lies.



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Posted on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 13:44

Lydia Chapin(Taft) was the first woman who voted at Uxbridge, Mass. in 1756(Women Sufferage). Those New England States around New York started allowing women with property to vote. This changed due to the Universal Sufferage of Men law. Some States created legislation that braced the Woman vote, and some rights.  Fast forward to the Obama era, and Women wait for wage, as well as descrimination equality; a mandate, due to their voteing strength. The Republican Congress seats up for grabs will reflect the mandates of the woman in this next two rounds of elections; A 3 year circus! They are numbered, and angry.



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Posted on Sun, Feb 09, 2014 12:06

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Democrats have bloviated about the Republican's War on Women for some time now.  The parties are at war with each other and it's up to the President to operate above the fray.  The 77 cents statistic, however, was even mentioned by the President in his State of the Union speech.  The liberal media has bowdlerized the facts. You can drink the Kool-Aid and fall prey to these political strategies or you can do your own research.  It would be a worthwhile exercise if you reported back to all of us why that 77 cent statistic is misleading.  Larry Summers'  comments regarding women in  science might be a good starting point. You might recall that he was an Obama advisor.     Rep. James R. Mann, a Republican from Illinois, probably has had more to do with advancing women's rights than any other politician.  


Sooooo......basically your answer is *crickets*.  You said nothing except deny it, deny it, deny it.  I'm sure you've heard the saying, If it looks like a duck; If it walks like a duck; If it sounds like a duck.......It IS a Duck!!!!

 

Re:  Rep. James R. Mann from Illinois.  Are you talking about the guy that died in 1922???



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Posted on Sat, Feb 08, 2014 18:35

Quoting Diana3316:

Roc~

What would the Founding Fathers think? 

 

I think they would be highly offended by the lack of respect and decorum afforded to this POTUS.  I also think they would be highly offended by so called Constitution loving House Republicans who choose to ignore Amendment XIV, Section 4, that states “the validity of the public debt…..shall not be questioned”, during the manufactured and regularly occurring debt crises.  I am certain they would be totally disgusted that in 16 days, the Republicans (Ted Cruz et al) orchestrated a government shutdown which took $24 billion dollars out of the US economy, forcing a downgrade in GDP growth forecast to only 2%.  So much for fiscal responsibility!

 

There is no doubt there are many problems with our political system, including the lack of term limits.  Like many Americans, I am fed up with Washington.  But I know there is only ONE party that proudly boasts their primary objective is to see that our government fails.   Our Founding Fathers would not be pleased with that!

 

PS:  Btw....'W' inherited a $128 billion budget surplus, which he turned into an $11 trillion debt and a widespread economic collapse!!  If Gore had won the Presidency....like he really did, we would be debt free today and to your point....the Founding Fathers would have been pleased.

 


I knew we'd agree on many things but if you continue to swallow the Liberal rhetoric without question it will be impossible for you to get the truth.  I also believe that term limits are a step in the right direction but we should also outlaw bribery and should make it illegal for politicians to invest in the stock market using insider information.  Martha Stewart spent 6 months in jail for something politicians do on a daily basis. 

 

I also believe in fiscal responsibility but I think we define it differently.  Bush got a credit card from the National Bank of China and Obama bragging that he's reduced the deficit to 4.1% of GDP... that's still a huge number that's not sustainable.   While I respect the Office of the President the person who occupies that office must earn my respect.  Nixon and Clinton sullied the office.  I do hope that the current one honors his oath regardless of his negative comments about the Constitution prior to being elected.   All of our elected officials, Repubs and Dems, take an Oath to the Constitution and violations are considered a Federal crime.  If you consider how many times their oath has been violated every sitting politician, and current and former Presidents, should be serving time.   

 

We should have no debt limit.  Increasing the debt limit does not increase the debt.  Congress authorizes Federal expenditures so, when the bill comes due you pay it.  The President can propose legislation  but can only approve or veto bills passed by Congress.  A Presidential veto can be overridden by a 2/3 majority by  houses of Congress... it rarely happens.   My view of the "shutdown" was that it was a paid vacation for our overworked Federal workers.  If you think that $24B, or one sixth of one percent, had an effect on GDP there's a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in.  $24B is what the government spends in about 2 days.  

 

I appreciate the compliment you gave to the Republican Congress regarding the surplus at the end of the Clinton years but even Clinton referred to it as "arithmetic".  The CBO uses fuzzy accounting.  The debt increased under Clinton and it could be an eye opener for you to find out where the surplus came from   I also appreciate the criticism you leveled at the Democratic Congress during the last two of the Bush years.  I can only imagine how large the debt might have been if Gore had become President.

 



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Posted on Sat, Feb 08, 2014 16:03

Quoting Diana3316:

I also know there is only ONE party that consistently votes against bills, like the Paycheck Fairness Act, that advance women’s rights.   Women make 77cents on the dollar that men make performing the same job….yet the House just says “NO”.  Don’t they have daughters?

 

In the wake of Citizens United, Liberals and Progressives were despondent and did not show up to vote in 2010.  Corporations flooded our elections with surreptitious money which allowed the House to fall to Ideologues.   In 2010, unmarried women only turned out at 38%.  They better not do the same thing in the 2014 Congressional elections.  Ladies…..VOTE…..and take your girlfriend with you.  Your lives and your children’s future depend on it!!! 

 

Please Roc…..can you name me ONE Republican that votes for issues that advance women and their issues….like education, safety, wages, healthcare?  Please tell me what bills they have promoted and/or passed? 

 


Democrats have bloviated about the Republican's War on Women for some time now.  The parties are at war with each other and it's up to the President to operate above the fray.  The 77 cents statistic, however, was even mentioned by the President in his State of the Union speech.  The liberal media has bowdlerized the facts. You can drink the Kool-Aid and fall prey to these political strategies or you can do your own research.  It would be a worthwhile exercise if you reported back to all of us why that 77 cent statistic is misleading.  Larry Summers'  comments regarding women in  science might be a good starting point. You might recall that he was an Obama advisor.     Rep. James R. Mann, a Republican from Illinois, probably has had more to do with advancing women's rights than any other politician.  



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Posted on Sat, Feb 08, 2014 11:01

I also know there is only ONE party that consistently votes against bills, like the Paycheck Fairness Act, that advance women’s rights.   Women make 77cents on the dollar that men make performing the same job….yet the House just says “NO”.  Don’t they have daughters?

 

In the wake of Citizens United, Liberals and Progressives were despondent and did not show up to vote in 2010.  Corporations flooded our elections with surreptitious money which allowed the House to fall to Ideologues.   In 2010, unmarried women only turned out at 38%.  They better not do the same thing in the 2014 Congressional elections.  Ladies…..VOTE…..and take your girlfriend with you.  Your lives and your children’s future depend on it!!! 

 

Please Roc…..can you name me ONE Republican that votes for issues that advance women and their issues….like education, safety, wages, healthcare?  Please tell me what bills they have promoted and/or passed? 

 



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