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Posted on Mon, May 06, 2013 23:56

Quoting rmac22:

The idea that the second amendment also includes the idea of the people being able to rise up against their own government keeps being repeated, but I very much doubt that that was the intention when it was written.  The founding fathers were a pretty articulate bunch fully capable of saying exactly what they meant and it does not say that. 

 

 

 

RMac

 


RMac,
I'm sorry about my delay in responding. The remodeling goes on! lolol

Indeed, I have heard this over and over as well, about the potential necessity of armed insurrection to fight our duly elected government. I agree with your statement. Additionally, our Founding Fathers wrote IN the Constitution the definition of treason as a specific act, namely "levying War against [the United States]". Article 3

It's unbelievable to me that any reasonable human would listen to suggestions that treason may be appropriate!!! Really??? They run around saying it's ok to be a traitor????



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Posted on Sun, Apr 28, 2013 00:06

You said, (Lady DI) 

 

I am also confused by your statement, “it is FUTILE to argue what a "dead man meant!"  Isn’t that exactly what the entire debate over the 2nd Amendment is all about?  Opponents of gun safety laws are relentlessly supporting the notion that they KNOW what the Founding Fathers (also dead) meant when they wrote the 2nd Amendment and that it would be a violation to pass law(s) which might restrict the acquisition of any amount of weapons…any amount/type of ammo…any time….by almost any one.    

 

 

Personally DI, I think BOTH sides are IDIOTS, wasting precious time ARGUING what men they never even knew, "meant," 50, or hundreds of years ago! I prefer to FOCUS ON TODAY! What time everyone has wasted battling back and forth what one side meant!! Even f they DID refer ONE INTERPRETATION, that does not negate all that has transpired!

 

 

WHAT I SEE TODAY: 

 

 

1) Messed up "Immigrants" the FBI and Homeland Security were already following, ummm.. jeez.. (lack of better verbiage..)  DROP THE BOMB! AND STOP FOLLOWING THE GUY! (BOSTON) 

 

 

2) MILITARY refusing to release a man of his duties when he is CLEARLY being vocal regarding his "stance" on the war. Further, his counterparts are "concerned" and creating "space" between him and themselves out of uneasiness! In addition, the "Powers that Be" were aware he was emailing groups we watch. I mean, Jesus Christ! How many S/S (Signs/Symptoms) does one need?

 

 

If I am talking to someone who is under your radar, DON'T YOU THINK YOU MIGHT NEED TO PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO MY ACTIONS?  Esp if I am TELLING YOU I disagree with what you are doing and making me do it for you, and I want out! THE MAN BEGGED TO LEAVE THE MILITARY!! I BLAME FORT HOOD ON THE MILITARY POWERS THAT BE, JUST AS I FAULT THE SANDY HOOK MASSACRE ON THAT IDIOTIC MOTHER WHO TOOK HER SON TO THE RANGE KNOWING HE WAS MENTALLY UNSTABLE! Her friends were even aware he was unstable for God sake!! And to boot, she had MANY guns and 1600 rounds of ammo in her home where he lived? WHAT A MOM!! 

 

 

 

3) Timothy McVey? The MILITARY repremanded him, and I believe relieved him of his duties? or did not allow him to "progress"-- caught him @ WHITE POWER rally with T-shirt in hand spewing filth, hatred and venom? BUT THEY JUST CUT HIM LOSE LATER? Really? 

 

 

You know DI, Mom to Mom here--- 

 

 

When my son came to live with me full time @ 17, I FORCED him to GET A JOB! I woke that boy up at 7 am to get ready to go job hunting. I checked his mileage on his car daily, gave him a notebook and told him to write the business, time he applied, manager he spoke to, etc. on the notebook and told him I would be contacting MGR. to make sure he wasn't lying. (I was the one lying, BTW on THAT issue. I'd never, well, yes I would IF I thought he was lying to me about applying! LOL)

 

 

 

I then made him come to my work after he was done, so I could check his mileage and make sure he wasn't driving to the beach or playing where he shouldn't have been playing! HE HAD TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY! 

 

 

HE HAD A JOB WITHIN 2 WEEKS AND HAS WORKED EVER SINCE! He turns 23 next week! He made over $30K at age of 21... while going to school full time! WHY did he get a job? B/C I DIDN'T DROP THE BALL!----  I "FOLLOWED THROUGH!" 

 

 

The determining FACTOR / COMMON DENOMINATOR with ALL these HEINOUS CRIMES?

 

 

The government, (and in Sandy Hook case, the mother,) DROPPED THE BALL and then DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH! 

 

 

When my son and I moved back to my marital home, he asked if a new friend he worked w/ could come live with us. I take in strays, so I said YES! In addition, I let the "friend" and ALL my son's friends know, "THIS IS MY ROOF AND YOU ARE ALL SUBJECT TO  RANDOM DRUG TEST AT ANY GIVEN TIME. YOU DON'T COMPLY, YOU ARE OUT! YOU TELL ME BEFORE HAND YOU WON'T PASS, WE WILL DISCUSS IT AND I WILL DETERMINE WHAT AVENUE TO TAKE! YOU WILL STILL BE TESTED!"

 

 

Guess what? I DID eventually test that kid! He acted strangely one day. I heard he was almost in a fight hours before. The "HANG OUT" kids and my son were complaining... So, I went to the drug store, bought a 5 panel screening and STOOD BY THE BATHROOM DOOR WITH DOOR CRACKED AS HE PISSED SO I KNEW HE COULDN'T "CHEAT" THE TEST!! And BTW.. I let the kids know, if they passed, I would pay for the test. If they failed, they would! 

 

 

He passed-- But do you think I felt badly? NOT ONE BIT! I am FOR drug testing welfare recipients etc! That young man needed MY HOME and he needed to COMPLY with MY RULES!!

 

 

Some bozo I saw on FB the other day said, "Well what about the kids? They don't deserve this! They need to eat!" Yeah, well, if I test you regularly and you keep failing test, guess what? YOU'RE LOSING THOSE KIDS, AND ANY MONIES THAT COME BENEFIT OF THEIR EXISTENCE!! I'm taking them so far out of that environment it isn't even funny! 

 

 

The ISSUE at hand is NOT guns, fertilizer for bombs, etc.. The issue IS-- The Government and Citizens (mother in Sandy Hook case) DROPPING THE BALL AND NOT BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PART!

 

 

The ISSUE IS: We are ALLOWING mentally UNSTABLE characters to roam FREE without watching them when they have ALREADY been placed under our radar!!! 

 

 

Emotionally / Mentally UNSTABLE individuals are at HIGH RISK to harm themselves, or OTHERS. EACH of these individuals chose to harm others.. 

 

 

I DO agree we should have more stringent "backgound checks" for guns--- 

THAT'S as far as I go... 

 

 

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND???

 

How can one side SCREAM "take away semi-automatics, they kill too much," from LAW ABIDING, TAX PAYING CITIZENS, all in the NAME OF LIFE PRESERVATION;

 

when they fight for the right to KILL 125,000 fetuses DAILY in the United States alone-- YEP! These same individuals who are fighting for the "Sandy Hook Babies" are the same ones holding signs to Preserve a woman's right to abort an unborn fetus that has a heart, eyes, nose, hands, brain, feet, intestines, spinal cord, etc.... The "FETUS" has a liver, kidneys--- YES, it "needs" the mothers womb to survive. Last I checked, a "born baby" needs a mother to survive... My second born REFUSED ALL formula, juice and food until 7 months! ALL SHE HAD WAS BREAST MILK! If I had STOPPED feeding her, I'd have been accountable for MURDER! 

 

 

And oddly, it's the side that is FOR limiting guns that kill, yet uphold abortion, who are also holding signs, to SAVE THE TURTLES  AND TREES!!  

 

 

Really? Don't drive on beach B/C you might run over turtle eggs, (UNBORN, NOT REALY "LIVING CREATURES",) ,, But do you ever get fined for interrupting them!! But, Ladies, if you want to kill YOUR EGG, GO AHEAD!  

 

 

If you ask me,,, almost everyone is "mental" and lacks "BOTH" LOGIC and COMMON SENSE!!

(and yes, they differ immensely!) 

 

 

 

WE NEED B-A-L-A-N-C-E!!!! 

 



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Posted on Sat, Apr 27, 2013 22:08

HI there Lovely Lady DI--- 

 

The pic you have now is my fave of all time.. You wear purple well and I love the naturalness of the wind in your hair! Hope all is going well your way! ;)

 

YOU WROTE THIS TO FISHY I THINK IT WAS? So I was asking YOU what we gave up! Sorry if I was unclear. I have had issues with internet all month! My carrier had to give me a large credit due to phone and net issues! GRRR!!!! I try and post and it gets dumped! Anyway, you said the statement below, and I wondered what you meant? I mean, I realize people were complaining about air travel taking longer, taking off shoes, etc.. BUT I FEEL IT IS WORTH IT AND PEOPLE NEED TO ADJUST THEIR SCHEDULE! 

DIANA3316 stated:

Ya know....when 911 hit, we as a country were so anxious and scared, we wrote off/gave up multiple Constitutionally protected Rights without hardly question...all in the name of citizen safety and patriotism! Compared to how many innocents are killed by guns in the wrong hands EACH year.....this 2nd Ammendment argument is really a joke. I would love to have a comparative discussion about the Patriot Act, warrantless wire taps and all the ubiquitous video surveillance.
 
 
 

 



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Posted on Wed, Apr 24, 2013 23:50

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

HI Lady DI--

 

I didn't post about the SECOND AMENDMENT really. Funny how people take one tiny portion of what I say and THAT'S what they select to argue... I get it all the time with "Christians" who choose to hate on gays, etc... when I speak of God and Love... I posted a photo with Kennedy on it and words he spoke long ago. I can say something and 15 people can be reading and get 15 differing views, so it is FUTILE to argue what a "dead man meant!"

 

I prefer to ARGUE FACTS! MENTAL HEALTH FACTS AND FACTS REGARDING EVERY SIMILARITY TO THESE HEINOUS MURDERERS! THEY ALL HELD HATRED!! 

 

My argument is regarding how all these individuals were MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND UNDER THE GOVERNMENTS RADAR- YET STILL WERE CAPABLE OF PERPETRATING DAMAGE AGAINST INNOCENT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES! 

 

And WHY? 

 

B/C the government DROPPED THE BALL AND SET THEM FREE! Had they been followed properly and watched, NONE of these heinous crimes would have commenced! (and in Sandy Hook incident, the Mother heself dropped the ball and actually ENCOURAGED her son's behavior!) 

 

I once wrote for a living, so I know my words are NOT that difficult to follow here.. 

 

When people start addressing MY THOUGHTS, I will respectfully respond to theirs. 

 

Thank you~ 

 

 



Hi Hope,

 

Hmmm…..I’m sorry….but I guess I am confused by your words.  I thought when you asked, “What "RIGHTS" did we give up during 9-11?”…..that you were questioning my statement regarding Rights lost due to the Patriot Act post 9/11.  I thought we were talking about the 2nd Amendment and the infringement of Rights.  I responded attempting to show you just a few of the other Rights, protected by other Amendments, which have been infringed upon in order to promote public safety.

 

I am also confused by your statement, “it is FUTILE to argue what a "dead man meant!"  Isn’t that exactly what the entire debate over the 2nd Amendment is all about?  Opponents of gun safety laws are relentlessly supporting the notion that they KNOW what the Founding Fathers (also dead) meant when they wrote the 2nd Amendment and that it would be a violation to pass law(s) which might restrict the acquisition of any amount of weapons…any amount/type of ammo…any time….by almost any one.    

 

Additionally, while it is true that it is highly likely the Founding Fathers had “NO CLUE” aircraft like we have today would be invented….it is equally likely that they could not have imagined weapons which emit a torrent of bullets…..30…50…100…. without even having to reload would be invented.  Guns have changed since 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written….our laws should too. 

 

Now, regarding your “THOUGHTS”.  It is difficult for me to respond to everything you say….but I am assuming you are talking about your points regarding mental health.  Violence in this country and the proliferation of highly effective weapons of mass destruction is a really complex problem.  Mental health issues are important and should be part of a comprehensive gun safety plan.  But we can’t even get a vote on universal background checks….something most Americans agree should take place…including hunters and other gun advocates. 

 

To say “THE GOVERNMENT IS FAILING US!!”, because Home Grown Terrorists have acquired highly lethal weapons and murdered other citizens…seems mono focal to me.  Short of establishing a police state where U.S. citizens with potential mental problems are “followed properly and watched”….this type of approach will not effectively address the violence problem we have.  It is going to take a multi focal approach over a long period of time to undo the past decade of unbridled proliferation of guns and violent behavior.  Additionally, we have a very real problem of home grown radicalized extremists.  The mentally troubled are not the only Americans committing murders with weapons of mass destruction and it is too simplistic to just blame the government.  I believe our police agencies are trying to do the best that they can, given the scope/loop holes of the current laws and the budgets provided.  But we can do better and need to say something different than just “NO”.



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Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

HI Lady DI--

 

I didn't post about the SECOND AMENDMENT really. Funny how people take one tiny portion of what I say and THAT'S what they select to argue... I get it all the time with "Christians" who choose to hate on gays, etc... when I speak of God and Love... I posted a photo with Kennedy on it and words he spoke long ago. I can say something and 15 people can be reading and get 15 differing views, so it is FUTILE to argue what a "dead man meant!"

 

I prefer to ARGUE FACTS! MENTAL HEALTH FACTS AND FACTS REGARDING EVERY SIMILARITY TO THESE HEINOUS MURDERERS! THEY ALL HELD HATRED!! 

 

My argument is regarding how all these individuals were MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND UNDER THE GOVERNMENTS RADAR- YET STILL WERE CAPABLE OF PERPETRATING DAMAGE AGAINST INNOCENT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES! 

 

And WHY? 

 

B/C the government DROPPED THE BALL AND SET THEM FREE! Had they been followed properly and watched, NONE of these heinous crimes would have commenced! (and in Sandy Hook incident, the Mother heself dropped the ball and actually ENCOURAGED her son's behavior!) 

 

I once wrote for a living, so I know my words are NOT that difficult to follow here.. 

 

When people start addressing MY THOUGHTS, I will respectfully respond to theirs. 

 

Thank you~ 

 

 



Geez,It got so hot here that my snow's melting fast,good thing I'm almost packed and ready to role.

 

@ Hoping,Here's a tidbit I feel suiting.

 

        Two women injured when the LAPD riddled their truck with 102 bullets during the Christopher Dorner manhunt will be receiving $2.1 million each from the department—as well as a new truck. Emma Hernandez, 71, was shot twice in the back while her daughter Margie Carranza, was injured by broken glass. The pair were delivering newspapers when police opened fire without warning, having somehow mistaken their blue Toyota for a gray Nissan Titan the rogue ex-cop was believed to be driving.

 

 

And you want THEM to do mental health screening on US?They can't even kill a grandma and her daughter!


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Posted on Wed, Apr 24, 2013 19:51

Quoting Diana3316:

Hi Dak~

I do agree with your statement about politicians on both sides.  But when choices are made, the options are never all good or all bad.  When I make a decision, I visualize a scale....placing all the good on one side and all the bad on the other.  In my view, the Dems offer more good than the GOP. 

 

Additionally, I'm so glad you mentioned Martha Stewart.  Her crime?  She avoided a loss on her stocks of approximatedly $46,000....a mere pittance....chickenfeed....compared to the crimes of the Wall Street and the Corporate guys.  Yet not a single one of them have been prosecuted for nearly ANYTHING....including crashing the entire economy!!!  Hmmmm.....wonder why.  Was it because she was getting too big for her britches and the insiders wanted to teach all outsiders (women) a lesson?  Stay out....this is our playground!  lol


I wrote a long response, but AOL locked before I could post.  I hate AOL.  All I will say now is that Martha Stewart's conviction just proves how hypocritical our politicians really are.  Do as I say, not as I do...that is their moto.

 

Don't blame WallStreet, blame the politicians/lawmakers that make the rules for WallStreet.  Blame the Fed for pumping 83 Billion into our economy, creating a bubble like never before.  No use in getting into it, as my warning will go unheeded.



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Quoting Dakota35:

Here you go...I'll make a statement that everyone can agree with;  Politicians are Fk'ers on both sides.  They keep the American people in debate over issues like this, while they rob them blind.  Want proof?, just look at the recent drop in gold.  Just happened the FOMC leaked to GS, Congress, and others in the loop, to liquidate their gold position.  Exact words “We recommend initiating a short COMEX gold position...” Insider trading without even a cover up.  And they send Martha Stewart to prison, while they engage in the same without recourse.  Now you see why they are worried about gun control.  They worry that they'll screw the wrong crazy and he'll come after them.  They don't care about the American people, we are puppets on a string to most of them.  Their weapons are manipulation and brainwashing.  Wonder which among us have fallen victim to their weapons. 

 



Hi Dak~

I do agree with your statement about politicians on both sides.  But when choices are made, the options are never all good or all bad.  When I make a decision, I visualize a scale....placing all the good on one side and all the bad on the other.  In my view, the Dems offer more good than the GOP. 

 

Additionally, I'm so glad you mentioned Martha Stewart.  Her crime?  She avoided a loss on her stocks of approximatedly $46,000....a mere pittance....chickenfeed....compared to the crimes of the Wall Street and the Corporate guys.  Yet not a single one of them have been prosecuted for nearly ANYTHING....including crashing the entire economy!!!  Hmmmm.....wonder why.  Was it because she was getting too big for her britches and the insiders wanted to teach all outsiders (women) a lesson?  Stay out....this is our playground!  lol



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Posted on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 18:07

While we're talking about constitutionally protected 'Rights'.....how about the right to vote???  Are voter ID cards an effective tool in the prevention of voter fraud?  Isn't that a type of background check?  If voter ID cards help to prevent fraud, then it stands to reason that comprehensive background checks in order to purchase a gun would help to prevent some unlawful gun purchases.

 

Interestingly, I've never heard of anyone getting killed by someone casting a vote....yet we got voter ID laws passed in just a couple of weeks.



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Posted on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:18

Here you go...I'll make a statement that everyone can agree with;  Politicians are Fk'ers on both sides.  They keep the American people in debate over issues like this, while they rob them blind.  Want proof?, just look at the recent drop in gold.  Just happened the FOMC leaked to GS, Congress, and others in the loop, to liquidate their gold position.  Exact words “We recommend initiating a short COMEX gold position...” Insider trading without even a cover up.  And they send Martha Stewart to prison, while they engage in the same without recourse.  Now you see why they are worried about gun control.  They worry that they'll screw the wrong crazy and he'll come after them.  They don't care about the American people, we are puppets on a string to most of them.  Their weapons are manipulation and brainwashing.  Wonder which among us have fallen victim to their weapons. 

 



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Posted on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 08:05

HI Lady DI--

 

I didn't post about the SECOND AMENDMENT really. Funny how people take one tiny portion of what I say and THAT'S what they select to argue... I get it all the time with "Christians" who choose to hate on gays, etc... when I speak of God and Love... I posted a photo with Kennedy on it and words he spoke long ago. I can say something and 15 people can be reading and get 15 differing views, so it is FUTILE to argue what a "dead man meant!"

 

I prefer to ARGUE FACTS! MENTAL HEALTH FACTS AND FACTS REGARDING EVERY SIMILARITY TO THESE HEINOUS MURDERERS! THEY ALL HELD HATRED!! 

 

My argument is regarding how all these individuals were MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND UNDER THE GOVERNMENTS RADAR- YET STILL WERE CAPABLE OF PERPETRATING DAMAGE AGAINST INNOCENT CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES! 

 

And WHY? 

 

B/C the government DROPPED THE BALL AND SET THEM FREE! Had they been followed properly and watched, NONE of these heinous crimes would have commenced! (and in Sandy Hook incident, the Mother heself dropped the ball and actually ENCOURAGED her son's behavior!) 

 

I once wrote for a living, so I know my words are NOT that difficult to follow here.. 

 

When people start addressing MY THOUGHTS, I will respectfully respond to theirs. 

 

Thank you~ 

 

 



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Posted on Sun, Apr 21, 2013 18:40

Quoting Hoping4Love2000:

Lady DI---

 

What "RIGHTS" did we give up during 9-11? 

 

Funny, we have to take our shoes off at the airport, and suddenly--- we have lost our "rights"...

 

Our forefathers had NO CLUE planes would be invented.... and I bet they held no clue as to just how UGLY this could get... 

 

But the ONE THING, as Kennedy saw, they DID recognize wayyyy back then??? 

 

WE MIGHT NEED TO PROTECT OURSELVES ONE DAY---

 

FROM ANY AND EVERY THING!!

 


Hope.....Source: Cornell Law School. It took me about a two minute Google search. Try it. You will find a lot more info on this subject.

And the only other thing that I can say is....that fear rarely accompanies rational thinking or good decision making. Be very wary of people who are always trying to scare you.

PS: When Kennedy said "participate in the defense of his country".....do you think he might have meant that if America wanted to fight 2 wars simultaneously, that Americans should be ready to "participate" by paying higher taxes in order to FUND those 2 wars....instead of using the charge card????


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Posted on Sat, Apr 20, 2013 22:46

Lady DI---

 

What "RIGHTS" did we give up during 9-11? 

 

Funny, we have to take our shoes off at the airport, and suddenly--- we have lost our "rights"...

 

Our forefathers had NO CLUE planes would be invented.... and I bet they held no clue as to just how UGLY this could get... 

 

But the ONE THING, as Kennedy saw, they DID recognize wayyyy back then??? 

 

WE MIGHT NEED TO PROTECT OURSELVES ONE DAY---

 

FROM ANY AND EVERY THING!!

 


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Posted on Sat, Apr 20, 2013 22:30

WRONG FISHY-- I highly, yet respectfully, DISagree... 

 

The REAL issue remains---

 

NEW YORK TIMES----

 

TAMERLAN TSARNAEV

 

Department of Homeland Security officials decided in recent months not to grant an application for American citizenship by Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two brothers suspected in the Boston Marathonbombings, after a routine background check revealed that he had been interviewed in 2011 by the F.B.I., federal officials said on Saturday.

 

Mr. Tsarnaev died early Friday after a shootout with the police, and officials said that at the time of his death, his application for citizenship was still under review and was being investigated by federal law enforcement officials.

 

ETC.. ETC...

 

The REAL TRUTH REMAINS----

 

THE GOVERNMENT IS FAILING US!! 

 

The young man in SANDY HOOK--- KNOWN to be "emotionally unstable"

Inside the rambling, pale-yellow Colonial-style home in a Connecticut suburb, Adam Lanza lived amid a stockpile of disparate weaponry and macabre keepsakes: several firearms, more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition, 11 knives, a starter pistol, a bayonet, 3 samurai swords. He saved photographs of what appeared to be a corpse smeared in blood and covered in plastic, as well as a newspaper clipping that chronicled a vicious shooting at Northern Illinois University.

 

The interviews revealed that his mother, Nancy Lanza, confided to friends several years ago that her son, who classmates said had been found to have a type of autism, was faring poorly and being bullied in high school. More recently, he had cocooned himself in front of electronic game consoles in the basement of their home, playing warfare games.

 

(THIS IS NOT NORMAL PEOPLE!!) 

 

Timothy McVey-- 

 

McVeigh was reprimanded by the military for purchasing a "White Power" T-shirt at a Ku Klux Klan protest against black servicemen who wore what he viewed as "Black Power" T-shirts around the army base.[14]

 

FORT HOOD--

 

Days after the shooting, reports in the media revealed that a Joint Terrorism Task Force had been aware of e-mail communications between Hasan and the Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki who had been monitored by the NSA as a security threat and that for several years, Hasan's colleagues were aware of Hasan's increasing radicalization. The failure to prevent the shootings led the Defense Department and the FBI to commission investigations, and Congress also held hearings.

 

WAKE UP EVERYONE---

GUNS, BOMBS, PLANES,, WHATEVER,,,,,

 

MAY BE USED TO INFLICT PAIN ON THE WORLD--

BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH MENTALLY UNSTABLE INDIVIDUALS HERE---

SAD PART IS----

PROPER AUTHORITIES ALREADY HELD THIS INFORMATION IN THEIR HOT LITTLE HANDS!!! --- (MILITARY, FBI, MOTHER)

YET THEY DO NOTHING!!

Instead of fighting so hard to take away what 99.999 % of people use "RESPONSIBLY"

Why don't you fight something worth while?

FIGHT TO PUNISH THE MILITARY, FBI AND PARENTS WHO KNOW OF MENTALLY UNSTABLE PEOPLE,,,,, YET ALLOW AMMUNITION TO BE IN THEIR REACH!! I mean, the mother took son to shooting range, the military REFUSED to allow that psychaitrist to QUIT, and now, Homeland Security had the older brother thug under radar??

 

HOW MUCH MORE DO WE NEED??? 

 

THE ONES WHO HAVE BURIED THEIR HEADS, (THE MOTHER, MILITARY AND FBI)

WELL, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!! 


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Posted on Thu, Apr 18, 2013 06:38

Quoting fishyme:

@ Hoping,

 

  Here's an interesting tidbit that I read on the Boston bombing,hmmm.

 

            Which brings us to the REAL issue. In the WRONG HANDS these things can be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and we as a society simply cannot afford to have pressure cookers out there that are completely uncontrolled. We are talking about some common sense laws. First, most people do not need high capacity pressure cookers. Limiting pressure cookers to a quart will make society safer. In addition, with all the documented instances of pressure cookers being used to construct explosive devices, and in light of the numbers of killed and injured, two things are clear: pressure cookers are lethal and we are in the midst of a pressure cooker violence epidemic. There is no need for pressure cooker nuts to run around with their pressure cookers without any regulation and oversight. Mandatory mental health evaluations and federal background checks will help to ensure that a pressure cooker doesn't fall in the wrong hands. Should people convicted of felonies and domestic violence misdemeanors be banned from owning pressure cookers? ABSOLUTELY! Even if it saves just one life, it's worth it. How about that soccer mom? Well, it depends. What if she loves soccer but hates America? Do you REALLY want THAT soccer mom to have unfettered access to something so potentially deadly?


Fishy,

Wouldn't it be helpful if we could tag or mark commercial explosive material..... like that which was used in the Boston pressure cookers? We have the technology....but this type of common sense regulation was blocked by..... you know who! We tag and regulate plastic explosive material. It sure would be helpful to the investigation of this horrific crime in Boston to expediate finding the bomber(s).  It's amazing that even craven bombers have lobbyists on capital hill.  It wouldn't stop every bombing, but the NRA lobbying activities have made investigations of this type MUCH harder.

PS: And thank you for exactly making my point about universal background checks! That's the point of background checks! So "extremely dangerous things" don't get in the "wrong hands"!

Ya know....when 911 hit, we as a country were so anxious and scared, we wrote off/gave up multiple Constitutionally protected Rights without hardly question...all in the name of citizen safety and patriotism! Compared to how many innocents are killed by guns in the wrong hands EACH year.....this 2nd Ammendment argument is really a joke. I would love to have a comparative discussion about the Patriot Act, warrantless wire taps and all the ubiquitous video surveillance.


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Posted on Wed, Apr 17, 2013 11:20

@ Hoping,

 

  Here's an interesting tidbit that I read on the Boston bombing,hmmm.

 

            Which brings us to the REAL issue. In the WRONG HANDS these things can be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and we as a society simply cannot afford to have pressure cookers out there that are completely uncontrolled. We are talking about some common sense laws. First, most people do not need high capacity pressure cookers. Limiting pressure cookers to a quart will make society safer. In addition, with all the documented instances of pressure cookers being used to construct explosive devices, and in light of the numbers of killed and injured, two things are clear: pressure cookers are lethal and we are in the midst of a pressure cooker violence epidemic. There is no need for pressure cooker nuts to run around with their pressure cookers without any regulation and oversight. Mandatory mental health evaluations and federal background checks will help to ensure that a pressure cooker doesn't fall in the wrong hands. Should people convicted of felonies and domestic violence misdemeanors be banned from owning pressure cookers? ABSOLUTELY! Even if it saves just one life, it's worth it. How about that soccer mom? Well, it depends. What if she loves soccer but hates America? Do you REALLY want THAT soccer mom to have unfettered access to something so potentially deadly?


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Posted on Wed, Apr 17, 2013 09:08

Quoting Diana3316:

Hey Ted Nugent!!  Only 4 days left!   Time is ticking!!

 

 

Frankly, I think since he was deemed too crazy to be drafted for the Vietnam war....he's too crazy to own over 200 guns!  Draft dodger!



Hmmmm,Woke up this morning and no dead Ted.He's not even in jail.



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Posted on Tue, Apr 16, 2013 06:06

Thank you RMac!

 

He's a disgusting human Fishy!  (IMO....lol)



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Posted on Mon, Apr 15, 2013 22:51

First off--- 

 

Let's get FACTS straight. The most reliable source is the CDC itself. 

 

Please hit the picture I took directly from the CDC on WHAT DEATHS ARE OCCURING. 

 

30,000 people are NOT "murdered" a year by guns!! 

 

Over 30,000 are killed in auto accidents--- 

 

NOTICE THE LAST BOXES ON THE RIGHT! (Under TOTAL!) 

 

Now SCROLL down the boxes---

 

2010

 

MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS 33,687

 

UNINTENTIONAL POISONING 33,041

 

UNINTENTIONAL FALLS 26,609

 

Now please look at lines 4,5,6,and 7... 

 

KILLER #4, 6 and 7 are ALL SUICIDES!!! 

 

Note: SUICIDE by FIREARMS are NOT committed with assault weapons! 

 

19,392 SUICIDES by FIREARM ALONE-- That far surpasses HOMICIDE with Firearms!! 

 

11,078 HOMICIDE by FIREARM 

 

9,493 SUICIDES BY SUFFOCATION 

 

6,699 SUICIDES BY POISONING 

 

35,584 SUICIDES IN 2010 SURPASSING ALL AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS... (which is considered the #1 KILLER) 

 

Auto accidents is NOT the #1 KILLER in America.. 

 

SUICIDE IS!!!! 

Now add together the SUICIDES and the MURDERS---

 

This is NOT a GUN or a BULLET issue people.. 

 

The problem everyone wants to sweep under the rug in the United States of America is 

 

MENTAL HEALTH!!

 

"Healthy" people do NOT kill themselves... 

 

and "Healthy" people do NOT kill others.... 

 

It really IS that simple!!!

 

We are NOT addressing the proper issue here---- 

 

"Fix the people, you will fix the problem!" 

 

 


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Posted on Mon, Apr 15, 2013 17:58

Quoting Diana3316:

Hey Ted Nugent!!  Only 4 days left!   Time is ticking!!

 

 

Frankly, I think since he was deemed too crazy to be drafted for the Vietnam war....he's too crazy to own over 200 guns!  Draft dodger!



Yep,sure enough.Even the below copy/paste artical has a Hmm in it.

 

 

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Ted Nugent - Vietnam War Draft Dodger - defecated/urinated in pants 10 days - "I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam"
 
 

(See original document pictured.) "Since we've been discussing Ted Nugent lately, this seemed a good time to bring up Nugent's draft dodging. It's well known that Nugent claims to have gone to great lengths to flunk his Draft Board physical. What's not so well-known is that he got a student deferment at the same time he was touring with his rock band, putting in an average of 300 shows a year. How was he going to school and touring that much at the same time?

One of our readers sent me a copy of an extract of Nugent's Selective Service records, obtained via a FOIA request (copy below). As you can see, Nugent received student deferments in 1967 (1-S) and 1968 (2-S). But according to the Internet Movie Data Base website, Nugent has been "performing professionally since 1958, non-stop yearly touring since 1967, averaging more than 300 shows per year '67-73." Hmm, that would include the two years he was supposedly too wrapped up in his studies to be serving his country.

But that hasn't stopped Nugent from insisting that if he HAD served, he would have been one big mofo soldier. As the Rutland Herald reported, Here's what Nugent said he would have done if he went to Vietnam:

"... if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd kill all the hippies in the foxholes ... I would have killed everybody," he told the Detroit Free Press in an interview published July 15, 1990."

The Herald also noted that Nugent's efforts to avoid the draft make President Bush look like a war hero.

(Nugent claims) that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside his pants caked with excrement and urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment.

Sean Hannity went to ridiculous lengths Friday night (8/24/07) to defend Nugent's threatening rants against Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. FOX & Friends whitewashed Nugent's comments the next day. Apparently, this "patriot" can do no wrong on the "We like America" network."
(News Hounds, Aug.26, 2007)



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Posted on Sat, Apr 13, 2013 23:21

Quoting Mtnsunny:

I'm sorry because I realize this is a very in depth conversation here but Fishy....you crack me up!  I think we all need to start smoking some of your stuff.  

 

 

 



I share Mtn,it helps keep the cosmic biorhythms in sync with the harmonious flow of the earth.

 

 

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