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Posted on Tue, Apr 09, 2013 22:07

10 years ago today, the US Marines helped to topple the statue of Saddam Hussein. 

 

 

 

 

 

Things that make ya go….hmmmmm.

 

 

 

 


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Posted on Sun, May 05, 2013 23:33

Quoting jomo1983:

Haha, quoting the first amendment for me. Of course you can say whatever you want, just as I can, including telling you to hush up.

 

Let me know when you're going to hold a class on the rest of the bill of rights.



Oh Come...come Jomo.  You know you're not interested in learning anything!  But it certainly seems like you could definitely use classes on a couple of topics I can think of, including the Bill of Rights and the 1st Amendment.  FYI....you are NOT allowed to say "whatever you want".  Like most Rights...there are limitations!  Hmmm....slander, sexual harassment, false advertising come to mind fairly easily.  Oh!  And the proverbial yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater when it's not true.  All of which will end you up in a court of law facing prosecution!



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Posted on Sun, May 05, 2013 17:18

Haha, quoting the first amendment for me. Of course you can say whatever you want, just as I can, including telling you to hush up.

 

Let me know when you're going to hold a class on the rest of the bill of rights.



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Posted on Sat, May 04, 2013 20:51

Quoting jomo1983:

ABC news reports Iraq War exhibits in Bush library

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/​george-bush-library-opening-public-19080296

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CBS says Bush doesnt try to avoid Iraq, Katrina in Library exhibits

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-​57581293/george-w-bushs-library-offers-his-side-​of-the-story/

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NBC News mentions Iraq exhibits

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/​George-W-Bush-Library-Opens-to-Public-Wednesday-​205571611.html

 

Let me go back to Cheney and Halliburton...you make a big deal of his compensation and generally imply that improper things occured, perhaps orchestrated by Cheney. Do you have an accusation? If so make it, if not, close the pie hole.

 

One could make much of President Obama's income from book sales as a sitting President being larger than his salary and therefore, prejudicing his ability to make decisions, but no one does? Know why? Because its stupid, reckless and completely without merit.



Jomo~

 

Ooooweee…seriously.... “close the pie hole”???  Tisk, tisk!  The 1st Amendment says I don’t have to.  I have the constitutionally protected Right “to the freedom of speech…… and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.  Or don’t you believe in all that?

 

There is more than enough evidence to warrant an official, comprehensive investigation of the circumstances in which we went to war with Iraq.  We had congressional hearings on Benghazi because our Senators had “questions”.  4486 U.S. soldiers were killed in the war.  Shouldn’t their deaths matter too?

 

Statistics are unclear of exactly how many Iraqis died, but a large-scale survey of Iraqi households by UNICEF, published in 2012, found that between 800,000 and a million Iraqi children under 18 have lost one or both of their parents.  I wonder how many of those orphans have a good opinion of the United States.    

 

“THAT WHICH CAN BE DESTROYED BY THE TRUTH SHOULD BE.”  P. C. Hodgell

 

While some are calling them “exhibits” in the Bush Library….others have pointed out more than a few half-truths and outright falsehoods, calling these so called “exhibits”….. propaganda…which appear to be a willful attempt to rewrite history.  Even the comedians are having a field day with these so-called exhibits….but it’s really not a joke.  Too many died and were injured because they lied!!



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Posted on Thu, May 02, 2013 01:41

Quoting jomo1983:

ABC news reports Iraq War exhibits in Bush library

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/​george-bush-library-opening-public-19080296

​ 

CBS says Bush doesnt try to avoid Iraq, Katrina in Library exhibits

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-​57581293/george-w-bushs-library-offers-his-side-​of-the-story/

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NBC News mentions Iraq exhibits

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/​George-W-Bush-Library-Opens-to-Public-Wednesday-​205571611.html

 

Let me go back to Cheney and Halliburton...you make a big deal of his compensation and generally imply that improper things occured, perhaps orchestrated by Cheney. Do you have an accusation? If so make it, if not, close the pie hole.

 

One could make much of President Obama's income from book sales as a sitting President being larger than his salary and therefore, prejudicing his ability to make decisions, but no one does? Know why? Because its stupid, reckless and completely without merit.



You forgot to mention Obama and GE...there's a real screwing of the tax payers.



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Posted on Thu, May 02, 2013 01:39

Quoting Diana3316:

Dak,

 

Re: Living in the past

 

I’m sure it may seem reasonable to question why we should debate what happened 10 years ago.  But to me, it seems profoundly important to know what happened, how it happened and why it happened.  If we as a society do not study history, then inevitably we do not learn from it and are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. 

 

It’s not just that the War Mongers cooked up the case to invade Iraq, fleecing the American Treasury with their ‘War of Choice’ while crony capitalists made billions, blowing the budget surplus Clinton left behind and ultimately bankrupting our economy…..but our babies….so many of them came home in body bags…and too many more came home with their arms and legs blown off….and even many, many more….came home with their brains scrambled.   I will never forget how Rumsfeld smirked when he retorted, “You fight a war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had” as our military personnel were being blown apart inside of unarmored Humvees, that were basically no better than civilian Hummers.   He acted like it was no big deal that our military were so ill prepared.   

 

There is a word….and it’s called ‘accountability’.  If they were simply incompetent morons….then they should be ridiculed off the stage every time they open their mouths about foreign policy.  But if they conspired and committed premeditated war crimes…..then they should be prosecuted.  That’s why it is important to know and understand what happened!!  To stand for the American principles of honor, truth and justice…..and so we don’t make the same mistakes!

 

Ok, so let’s talk about the future.  Today…all the same crowd is singing the same old war song….and it’s called Syria, with the ultimate goal being a war with Iran!  This is another catastrophe brewing and if we don’t want another 10 year, trillion dollar war in the Middle East….we better make better decisions!  And the best decision we can make, right now…. is not to listen to morons that don’t send their babies off to die in the desert!

 

PS:  Yes, we are definitely better off with Obama.  At least Obama knows where Iran is!  Romney hired 17 of Bush’s foreign policy advisors….to “advise” him.  Can you say déjà vu?



Diane, your accountability seems one sided.  Also, there are things that are classified (the public does not know, nor should know) and you base your opinion on liberal bias news/ history.  Liberals claim to be open minded, but their mind only opens when it's inline with their beliefs.  No reason for us to debate...the future will tell the story.  I hold Bush accountable for his excess spending...and since Obama has done a multiple of that spending, then I take issue.

Well, I'm glad you are better off with Obama...as I am not, I have lost a large part of my business and income since he took office.  My business is in direct correlation with the economy, so I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.  My company is a vendor for billion dollar companies, and I've been the beneficiary of their cuts to maintain their profits.  Furthermore, my business spending has been cut in half, which I'm sure effects other business.  And as we know businesses hire people and without business, people lose jobs.  Which is exactly what has happened.  On a positive note, it's easy for me to find labor since so many are without work...that is until they get on some government support...then they quit.

You could give me 6 months as president and I'd have the economy roaring and people would be back to work.  And I would protect the dollar as the world's currency.  China says the Renminbi will be fully convertible by 2015.  This means the Renminbi will be able to challenge the dollar as the world's currency.  In fact the Chinese government has already stated that it wants the dollar removed as the world's currency and replace with a basket of currencies.  If you do not know the ramifications of this, then do some research.  Every one in this nation will suffer.  It is going to happen, just as the Pound Sterling lost it status.

Lastly, there were chemical weapons used in Iraq.  Want to know how I know?  Because my GF was a Dr. at a military hospital.  She told me they treated soldiers for illness related to chemical weapons.  It was so bad that some soldiers were quarantined from even medical personal.  All was classified and the medical personal were put through the ringer just to work there.  Things like this are what the public doesn't know...and when you hear it, you think...maybe it's a lie and dismiss it. 



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Posted on Thu, May 02, 2013 00:04

ABC news reports Iraq War exhibits in Bush library

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-bush-library-opening-public-19080296

 

CBS says Bush doesnt try to avoid Iraq, Katrina in Library exhibits

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57581293/​george-w-bushs-library-offers-his-side-of-the-​story/

.

NBC News mentions Iraq exhibits

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/George-W-Bush-Library-Opens-to-Public-Wednesday-205571611.html

 

Let me go back to Cheney and Halliburton...you make a big deal of his compensation and generally imply that improper things occured, perhaps orchestrated by Cheney. Do you have an accusation? If so make it, if not, close the pie hole.

 

One could make much of President Obama's income from book sales as a sitting President being larger than his salary and therefore, prejudicing his ability to make decisions, but no one does? Know why? Because its stupid, reckless and completely without merit.



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Posted on Wed, May 01, 2013 22:38

Dak,

 

Re: Living in the past

 

I’m sure it may seem reasonable to question why we should debate what happened 10 years ago.  But to me, it seems profoundly important to know what happened, how it happened and why it happened.  If we as a society do not study history, then inevitably we do not learn from it and are doomed to repeat the same mistakes. 

 

It’s not just that the War Mongers cooked up the case to invade Iraq, fleecing the American Treasury with their ‘War of Choice’ while crony capitalists made billions, blowing the budget surplus Clinton left behind and ultimately bankrupting our economy…..but our babies….so many of them came home in body bags…and too many more came home with their arms and legs blown off….and even many, many more….came home with their brains scrambled.   I will never forget how Rumsfeld smirked when he retorted, “You fight a war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had” as our military personnel were being blown apart inside of unarmored Humvees, that were basically no better than civilian Hummers.   He acted like it was no big deal that our military were so ill prepared.   

 

There is a word….and it’s called ‘accountability’.  If they were simply incompetent morons….then they should be ridiculed off the stage every time they open their mouths about foreign policy.  But if they conspired and committed premeditated war crimes…..then they should be prosecuted.  That’s why it is important to know and understand what happened!!  To stand for the American principles of honor, truth and justice…..and so we don’t make the same mistakes!

 

Ok, so let’s talk about the future.  Today…all the same crowd is singing the same old war song….and it’s called Syria, with the ultimate goal being a war with Iran!  This is another catastrophe brewing and if we don’t want another 10 year, trillion dollar war in the Middle East….we better make better decisions!  And the best decision we can make, right now…. is not to listen to morons that don’t send their babies off to die in the desert!

 

PS:  Yes, we are definitely better off with Obama.  At least Obama knows where Iran is!  Romney hired 17 of Bush’s foreign policy advisors….to “advise” him.  Can you say déjà vu?


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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 19:36

Diana,

Even if you believe all the bad stuff you post...Why do you live in the past?  Here we are 2 presidential terms later, the country has major economic problems and you're still bashing Bush.  Need someone to blame?  Is this a tactic to try to get people's minds off of how F'ed up our country is and the characters that are running the show?  I'm so glad this isn't happening under a conservative president...kind of makes me glad Obumer won.  Obama now owns this economy.

 

Our economy is being supported by the Fed printing and pumping 83+ billion dollars per month into the economy, markets are at all time high because of this. (Yep the wealthy & WallStreet are making a killing under Obama) All this while there are more people than ever on government assistance and unemployment is still way way to high.  Want to talk about a president making it GREAT for the wealthy...Obama and Helicopter Ben are number one.  Just the other day, millions were made by wealthy investers when the Fed leaked minutes from it's meeting. GS was one of the benificiaries of this info...I personally dont know anyone that uses GS as thier brokerage firm, but maybe I should give them a call as they get inside info.

 

All one has to do is ask ... Am I better off and is America better off under the time Obama has been president?  When the Fed stops the printing press, then ALL will feel the pain.  But you know what, I bet the Fed "leaks" when this is going to happen to the wealthy first so they know when to exit.  Helicopter Ben is controlled by Obama.  Romney stated that he would replace Ben Bernanke is he won office...then the press started printing to make everything look rosy.  Now it's out of control...even other Fed members are warning that this QE/Printing/Pumping cannot continue without huge negative consequences.

 

Yep, Obama has done more to hurt the poor and help the wealthy than any other president in history.  The proof lies in the investment markets, FED QE, jobless numbers, and government assistance numbers.  Numbers don't lie.

   



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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:06

Quoting jomo1983:

does the stuff you post get even a cursory review from you or do you just pass along dogma without engaging your brain?

 

Of course Iraq is not only mentioned, but plays a central part in the exhibits at the Bush Museum. To say otherwise is an outright falsehood. You live in Dallas, why dont you go there and see for yourself before you post garbage like this here. I dont care if you dislike George Bush or Harry Truman or whomever. But if you feel the need to criticize, why dont you bother to find out if you're posting pure made up fiction before you embarrass yourself by putting your name to it.

 

As for Halliburton, it was actually its construction firm Brown & Root that was awarded the $39 billion contract you refer to. While Cheney had no financial interest in Hallliburton or B&R, his 5 years as CEO of HAL did provide him with a good deal of wealth. The implication that this connection was levereged to obtain government contract has been much a liberal talking point for the entire Bush presidency and nothing has come of it. Mostly because its bull, but certainly not for lack of trying.

 

You may want to read about Brown & Root's financial backing of Lyndon Johnson, which was used to get into the gov't contracting business for the New Deal, World War II and the Vietnam War. That much is established fact. Perhaps you can tell us if the Johnson Library has any materials on that.



Jomo,  lololo....yeah...I really do!

 

I was not actually present to hear the speeches, but I did read several articles online.  Would you please be so kind to open your web browser and type in:  ‘Was Iraq mentioned at Bush Library’?  In the first 8 hits you will find the words ‘No Mention’.

 

From the Washington Post article:

“In office, the nation’s 43rd president lived through eight tumultuous years. But as he and dignitaries from around the world joined to dedicate the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum on the campus of Southern Methodist University, there was no mention of Iraq, no talk of Hurricane Katrina, no reference to the financial collapse that marked his last months in office.”

 

Facts about Cheney:

 

1.      As Defense Secretary, Cheney authored a study recommending that private firms take over logistical support programs for U.S. military operations around the world.

2.      Two years after his Defense Secretary position, he was hired by Halliburton as its CEO. Thanks to his government study, Halliburton reaped huge benefits directly from the government. Cheney was rewarded $44 million for five years of his work. He quit the job and became the Vice-President but still retained Halliburton’s stock.

3.      Under Cheney’s supervision, Halliburton’s tax payments to the U.S. went from $302 million to nil in 1999. To add further insult, Halliburton received a refund of $85 million from the Internal Revenue Service in 1999.

4.      After the war started in Iraq, his company Halliburton made even more money -- the Bush administration gave away lucrative reconstruction contracts in Iraq.   

5.      Halliburton, even though they earned more money, hardly paid any taxes by using off-shore subsidiaries as tax shelters to hide profits. Halliburton also used their off-shore subsidiaries to contract for services to sell banned equipment to countries like Iran, Iraq and Libya.

6.      When Lesley Stahl from CBS's 60 Minutes visited their offices in the Cayman Island, they had no office and no employees. The mailing address was a local bank.

7.      Halliburton made most profits from the Iraq war. Before the war began, Halliburton was 19th on the U.S. Army’s list of top contractors, but rapidly zoomed to number 1 in 2003.  Cheney still retained their stock. The stock which was worth $241,498 zoomed to $8 million for an increase of 3,281 per cent.

8.      Cheney received salaries from Halliburton. He was paid $205,298 in 2001; $162,392 in 2002; $178,437 in 2003; and $194,852 in 2004. Cheney said he has donated the proceeds to charities, but so far has shown no records.

9.      Halliburton also received Katrina rebuilding contracts and helped build an American prison in Guantanamo Bay. The company has been criticized by auditors for over charging for services, providing unclean water to the troops, marking up meal prices for troops and inflating gas prices in a deal with a Kuwaiti supplier.

 

 

Jomo, I am well aware of the Johnson/ Brown and Root connection in the 50s and early 60’s.  Purchased by Halliburton, the company made profits due to the Vietnam War and infrastructure projects in Texas. 

 

But it is really unseemly for a sitting Vice President to benefit from a company while at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it.  Why do we keep letting Corporations get away with this???  Why do we keep electing representatives that LET them get away with this by being their paid puppets???  And why….don’t we prosecute the shysters for at least the feeble laws we do have???

 

This is a prime example of Obama “not being perfect”.  He said, “No one is above the law”….yet Cheney still roams free, collecting his government healthcare and retirement money.

 

Not only is Cheney a torturer, a liar and a thief….he’s a sociopath!  (IMO)

 



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Posted on Mon, Apr 29, 2013 01:31

Quoting jomo1983:

does the stuff you post get even a cursory review from you or do you just pass along dogma without engaging your brain?

 

Of course Iraq is not only mentioned, but plays a central part in the exhibits at the Bush Museum. To say otherwise is an outright falsehood. You live in Dallas, why dont you go there and see for yourself before you post garbage like this here. I dont care if you dislike George Bush or Harry Truman or whomever. But if you feel the need to criticize, why dont you bother to find out if you're posting pure made up fiction before you embarrass yourself by putting your name to it.

 

As for Halliburton, it was actually its construction firm Brown & Root that was awarded the $39 billion contract you refer to. While Cheney had no financial interest in Hallliburton or B&R, his 5 years as CEO of HAL did provide him with a good deal of wealth. The implication that this connection was levereged to obtain government contract has been much a liberal talking point for the entire Bush presidency and nothing has come of it. Mostly because its bull, but certainly not for lack of trying.

 

You may want to read about Brown & Root's financial backing of Lyndon Johnson, which was used to get into the gov't contracting business for the New Deal, World War II and the Vietnam War. That much is established fact. Perhaps you can tell us if the Johnson Library has any materials on that.



Well, I was going to say "No comment is a comment" in regards to this blog, but you couldn't stand it any longer...and had to do it.  :-)



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Posted on Sun, Apr 28, 2013 12:18

does the stuff you post get even a cursory review from you or do you just pass along dogma without engaging your brain?

 

Of course Iraq is not only mentioned, but plays a central part in the exhibits at the Bush Museum. To say otherwise is an outright falsehood. You live in Dallas, why dont you go there and see for yourself before you post garbage like this here. I dont care if you dislike George Bush or Harry Truman or whomever. But if you feel the need to criticize, why dont you bother to find out if you're posting pure made up fiction before you embarrass yourself by putting your name to it.

 

As for Halliburton, it was actually its construction firm Brown & Root that was awarded the $39 billion contract you refer to. While Cheney had no financial interest in Hallliburton or B&R, his 5 years as CEO of HAL did provide him with a good deal of wealth. The implication that this connection was levereged to obtain government contract has been much a liberal talking point for the entire Bush presidency and nothing has come of it. Mostly because its bull, but certainly not for lack of trying.

 

You may want to read about Brown & Root's financial backing of Lyndon Johnson, which was used to get into the gov't contracting business for the New Deal, World War II and the Vietnam War. That much is established fact. Perhaps you can tell us if the Johnson Library has any materials on that.



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Posted on Sat, Apr 27, 2013 14:29

Last week the George W. Bush Presidential Library was opened with much fanfare in Dallas, TX.  The word ‘Iraq’ was not even mentioned once!

 

My bet is that in the coming months the GOP is going to become very pro-immigration reform, in a desperate attempt to rewrite GW’s legacy as the ‘Father of Immigration Reform’.  He needs it… and the GOP needs it if they ever hope to win an election again!


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Posted on Wed, Apr 10, 2013 23:43

The one in the middle is just trying to figure out what's going on. 


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